Hello again my naughty little meerkats! On a whim I decided that since I recently came in to a copy of Windows Vista Ultimate (Full Version) that I did not have to pay the ridiculous sum of $400 to get. I figured I might give Vista 64 bit a shot on my PC now that nvidia has recently released version: 158.18 video divers for 64 bit OS's. I was pleasantly surprised...
What surprised me the most was how good a job nvidia did with the 64 bit 158.18 video drivers compared to older more stable (and more overclockable) 32 bit XP or Vista drivers.
So I guess a good place to start is my current basic machine stats. If you want more detail look to the screen shots below.
Case: Antec P180 Mid-Tower
PS: Silverstone DA650 650W
MB: ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+
GPU: EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 KO
RAM: Patriot eXtreme Performance 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)
HD: Western Digital WDC WD3200KS-00PFB0 SATA Device
So this is not a true "apples to apples" test since I am not a review site and don't have multiple similar PC's to test with so there is some variance in the GPU hardware I am testing with. In the 4 3DMark06 projects I am comparing I switch OS's and video cards + drivers only. Everything else stayed the same. Yeah yeah, not the best test, but since I don't care, (about anything for that matter) you shouldn't either. It's the experience I'm trying to exemplify and not the controlled environment of my test.
So what we have below is four different 3DMark06 comparisons running the default test at 1280x1024. One thing I would like to mention the light blue bar txt header should read "ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe Win XP SP2 SLI CPU OC Max Vid OC 520/1315" because that unit had 2x 7800 GTX in an SLI config:

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Look at 64 bit Vista rockin' the house in second place in the "Overall Score" with no overclock. It has the highest score out of the non-OC'd units!

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Again look at 64 bit Vista come in second to a mild OC from Windows XP SP2 in the "Graphics Tests". Impressive!

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This is the clincher I think? 64 bit Vista is beating all the other configurations in the "CPU2 - Red Valley" test here and two of the other configurations even have CPU overclocks?!?! VERY impressive!

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Well there is always one weak category. I wonder why the "Canyon Flight (SM 3.0)" test was so hard for 64 bit Vista. This one will take some research to figure out.


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Nothing here but the system specs and device values for reference. What? That not good enough for you?!?!? ![]()
Observations:
If this is what we can expect in 3DMark06, imagine what real world game performance is! Well done nvidia! So what about game compatibility you ask? Well so far I have loaded these games on 64 bit Vista. (Steam - Half-Life Source, Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2 Deathmatch, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Day of Defeat Source, Medieval II: Total War, Thief: Deadly Shadows, X3: Reunion, The Ship, DEFCON, Counter-Strike: Source.) (EA Link - Battlefield 2 + all map packs, Battlefield: 2142 + all map packs, Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars) (Others - Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Neverwinter Nights 2 (still dog slow!), F.E.A.R., Heroes of Might and Magic V, and last but not least The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.) So far all of these have worked quite well. Some had performance gains, some had losses, but minor losses only.
As far as productivity software goes I have loaded MS Office 2007 Enterprise, Adobe Photoshop CS2, Alias Wavefront Maya, 3D Studio Max, Adobe Premier without issue.
64 bit software surprises came along with this install in the way of me finding actual 64 bit versions of Logitech's G15 Gaming Keyboard applications, and Daemon Tools, and one more I can't remember. (I'm posting from work, sorry.)
Conclusions:
I think I'm going to leave 64 bit Vista as my primary operating system. So far I have not ran in to a single incompatibility with the 64 bit OS and in a lot of cases I have seen a performance gain. I'm sure none of the compatibility info is new to anyone, but the performance while gaming with the nvidia 158.18 video divers is new and quite a boon to those who have taken the plunge on Vista with an 8800 series GPU.
I hope there is enough data here that you might give Vista 64 bit a shot if you can. I wouldn't spend the money on a Full Version of Vista that comes with the 64 bit as Microsoft is totally kidding themselves with that $400 price tag. But all is not lost. If you currently have 32 bit Vista, Microsoft still seems to be running their alternate media program where you can get the 64 bit DVD for a small fee and shipping here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx
Thanks for letting me ramble on. I hope you enjoyed what I learned. I know I did, and from what I read online, there aren't a lot of 64 bit virus or malware written yet by hackers so the 64 bit OS might last a little longer before it bites the dust after running too many Sony rootkits and other DRM fiasco's from Sony.
Cheers!
-Trent
Posted by tditto at Thursday April 19, 2007 - 2:06 PM | TrackBack (0) | Category: PC Games | © 2007 Gaming Signal
Nice job, Trent!
Posted by John on Friday April 20, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Thanks John. It was an enlightening exercise.
I wanted to get one other thing out though. Vista is still crippled with a lot of crappy DRM that need to go, PERIOD. I don't have an HD-DVD drive on this desktop unit, but I do have one in my HP laptop running Vista and let me tell you. When that lame DRM is doing it's "thing" on an HD-DVD the CPU in the laptop (Intel 2.16-GHz Core 2 Duo T7200) is pegged at 100% on both cores. IT'S CRAP! CRAP I SAY!
If Microsoft pulled all of that DRM crap out of the OS I can't imagine how much faster Vista would be for media related tasks.
As it is right now, I'll probably start trying to figure out how to remove the DRM from Vista myself. Google searches show that there is some promising "hacking" going on regarding this very topic.
Now ask me if I care if I invalidate my warranty? ![]()
Posted by tditto on Friday April 20, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Got a link for the Worez Vista ?
Posted by on Friday April 20, 2007 at 5:15 PM
No, this was a valid copy, it is registered to me. It was just "shwag" software handed out from an IT trade show.
No warez whoring here.
Posted by tditto on Friday April 20, 2007 at 9:23 PM
One warning on Vista - not all companies are doing a good job getting drivers in place. Netgear is one that I'm fighting right now - they have no 64-bit support at all, and the 32-bit driver is full of bugs (everybody is having the issues, not just me.)
Posted by Scott on Tuesday April 24, 2007 at 9:33 AM
Just curious here Scott. A Netgear what? PC Card? Express Card? What?
To acknowledge your claim, I feel very lucky that all of my gear had current drivers. In fact, I kind of held off on even attempting Vista 64 bit until nvidia released their latest driver. Hence the reason I listed out my hardware. All of it had 64 bit drivers, all the way down too the Logitech G-15 drivers. ![]()
I did run in to my first compatibility issue though, but I resolved it already. Java. I had a hard time finding a version of 64 bit Java that would play nice with Firefox. I could find plenty that auto loaded in to IE, but finding one for 64 Bit Firefox ( http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/ )was slightly more difficult.
Posted by tditto on Tuesday April 24, 2007 at 10:15 AM
A Netgear USB wireless adaptor.
Posted by Scott on Tuesday April 24, 2007 at 7:28 PM
Well well well... a new nVidia nTune release today.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.38.00.html
I will try some overclocking in Vista 64 bit now and see how much better things could be. ![]()
Posted by tditto on Friday April 27, 2007 at 4:47 PM
i was running windows xp 64 and never had a problem running my duel 7900gtxs.I had a local computer store load windows vista for me and they couldnt get the sli mode to work on vista 64.When you load the drivers and reboot the nvidia control panel dis apperears and the screen res goes to 800x600.Can you help me figure out this issue?
Posted by butchman on Thursday May 10, 2007 at 6:45 AM
Your AMD processors had a 200 Mhz sidebus? lol, were you missing a zero there?
Posted by Cole on Thursday June 28, 2007 at 11:16 PM